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There's a lesson to be learned here, isn't there? Despite all of these subsidies being thrown at alternative energies by politicians, despite the efforts of judges (like in Georgia recently) trying to obstruct coal plant construction, despite environmental organizations trying to make loans for construction of coal plants more difficult, despite James Hansen's call for a complete moratorium on coal....


....none of them can deny how efficient coal is, and how cheap it is. Nor can they deny that as this economy worsens, "environmental concerns" will get thrown to the wayside; although, they're not going to admit that publicly, I can assure you. But deep down, they see what's coming, namely the global warming hoax being bumped further down the ladder of concern for average, everyday people.

Eco Geeks can't like this one bit. Time for a protest.

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"Skepticism is the highest of duties, and blind faith the unpardonable sin." -- Thomas Huxley

if the enviros really want support, instead of throwing fear into people they should really work with the people.

If they were smart (and i use the term very loosely when describing enviros), they would support coal and other fossil fuels but at the same time promote the use of alternative energies like solar/wind. Since the infrastructure is not there for alternative energy, and everything right now is based on coal/oil, it would be prudent to support fossil fuels but at the same time work in developing a low cost, effective, and reliable alternative energy.

Due to the fact that the enviros are shoving their crap down our throat, i'm being as resistant as possible in their ideals. Despite proof that what they want is detrimental to society and human kind, if they only would cooperate and work with the people and not use scare tactics I'm sure skeptics like ourselves would listen to what they say more often; but as it stands now they can just stuff it.

You hit the nail on the head there. They never, ever compromise on everything. Which is why I refuse to compromise with them on anything, either.

I remember meeting with a local politician here some years ago & I asked him about this area of town that was always having a hot dispute. The road needed widening, yet the road already went through the middle of a park. As more & more people moved to the suburbs, the traffic kept getting worse. People demanded a solution.

So how were the environmentalists he talked to? In a word, he said, "Uncompromising." They refused to budge an inch on anything.

While they may have reversed their position on DDT, they will never support coal or oil. Ever. Which is fine by me, because I think it creates an unprecedented opportunity to expose them for what they are.

And you know the sad part of all of this? Some of them LOVE what's going on right now. They love high gas prices (already had that discussion on a different forum with one of them recently, this nut wanted to RAISE taxes on gas right now despite of what would happen to lower class people). They love watching the SUV go the way of the dinosaur. They thrive on people's misery.

Let them get more vocal, I say. Let them protest the coal plants & send out the film crews to document every minute of it. It just adds to the evidence.

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"Skepticism is the highest of duties, and blind faith the unpardonable sin." -- Thomas Huxley

I plan on reading more books on how environmentalism destroys society (ones you listed on the homepage of your website, as soon as I finish eco freaks). One common thread i've noticed so far is "it is their way or the highway", there is no common ground.

As for the SUV, I for one am proud to own a suv (the mrs. and I bought a Liberty not too long ago). Reading Berlau's book, enviros has cooked up alot of lies to demonize (hmmm, isn't that what enviros do best, demonize all that is good in the world) the SUV. One of the reason why enviros have demonized the SUV is because of CAFE, the SUV is classified as a light truck so it doesn't fall into the same category as a car, so it can get slightly worse gas mileage.

They've cooked up lies like the suv is easy to roll overs. Well, what I find very ironic is because of the enviros suvs now are more prone to roll overs. Due to CAFE regulations, suvs must attain a certain fuel economy (the number escapes me right now), but to actually achieve that number suvs have to lose weight, and to do that they have to make suvs smaller, so hence you now have a vehicle that as light as a honda civic, high centre of gravity, short wheel base PLUS short width as well, add all that up and you got yourself a vehicle more prone to roll overs.

On the other hand, suvs like the suburban or durango, full sized suvs, are not prone to roll overs, in fact roll overs for the large suvs are rare. It just makes my blood boil knowing that enviros cooked up a lie and now they've actually made that lie reality because of the enviro policy.

as for the coal/oil issue, it saddens me to say that you are 100% right, the enviros will never agree to anything that involve fossil fuels. But again, you know what the ironic thing is ? they push for solar/wind power, but to actually build that infrastructure it relies heavily on coal/oil !! Do the enviros really think that wind mills come from trees ? and by magic fairy dust solar panels can be created ? No !!! they all must come from a factory that uses coal/oil !

I guess that is another reason why I can't stand enviros, they make up baseless claims which you can drive a mack truck thru. For goodness sakes, if you really want 100% compliance, stop scaring people, making up lies, and use facts. With facts it is really hard to dispute, but with lies you start losing credibility fast.

I saw on the news the other day, one of our provinces (british columbia) implemented the carbon tax. Overnight all gas stations jacked up prices by 2.7 cents, so gas in BC costs well over $1.50/L. Many protests went up against the carbon tax. However, they interviews a green party member, and just like what you stated AE, that green party member was 100% for it. She even stated that she thought the carbon tax was a good idea, and it would make people change their habits to reduce carbon (I could go on a rant about how 2 faced enviros are about carbon but I'll save it for another day).