Groundhogs Target Cow Farts

[AEGeneral]

If you haven't figured it out, I refer to "climate change experts" as "groundhogs." I don't see any differences between the two.

I've always said these idiots want to control the food supply and dictate what people are eating.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...-mostviewedbox

Experts at the Rowett Research Institute in Aberdeen say the average cow contributes as much to global warming as a family car that travels 12,000 miles.

Although vehicles produce a far larger volume of noxious gases, methane is 24 times more harmful to the environment than carbon dioxide.
In total, methane is thought to contribute about 18 per cent towards the global warming effect.

On another note:

The New Zealand government briefly considered taxing farmers on their herds' methane output but the proposal had to be dropped following opposition.

Oppose the cow fart tax!

[mcclane]

I read that they did reduce farting in sheep by 70%. I get really nervous when scientists start mucking around with our food source. You know, if cow farts are that bad for the environment, what is next ? cull all cattle to reduce greenhouse gases ?? what about us humans ? what I gotta cut one I just let 'er rip, so am I contributing to global climate change by letting a juicy one rip ??

This is just becoming utterly *no pun intended* ridiculous. Seems like somehow some way environmentalists are making absurd links to global warming.

[AEGeneral]

Yeah, sounds like the cows ain't having it. Maybe they like farting.

My fear is the tax is coming, which will raise food prices even more. You've noticed your grocery bill getting higher, and so have I. Couple this with higher energy costs, and inevitably inflation is going to take off.

[mcclane]

I'm not vegetarian, I do like a good steak once in a while. Coupled with mad cow disease, like you mentioned this will only drive up prices of groceries even more. When will people wake up and realize the real cost of going green ??

[AEGeneral]

I guess when they start reading this forum.

[AEGeneral]

RIA Novosti - World - Estonian farmers face flatulence tax on cattle

Estonian farmers have received tax notices for methane emissions from their cattle, the country's opposition party, the People's Union of Estonia, said on Thursday.

Ruminants produce large quantities of methane gas through belching and flatulence when they digest grass, which accounts for about 15-25% of overall gas emissions, according to different estimates.

Well, there goes the price of beef in Estonia...

[mcclane]

Originally Posted by AEGeneral

RIA Novosti - World - Estonian farmers face flatulence tax on cattle



Well, there goes the price of beef in Estonia...

maybe they can 'carbon capture' cow farts !!

[AEGeneral]

Originally Posted by mcclane

maybe they can 'carbon capture' cow farts !!

Man...that's a sad visual right there. Since carbon sequestration is all the rage these days, I bet some scientist is down in his basement right now designing a machine to pump cow farts into reservoirs beneath the surface.

Of course, it's happened in the past that a massive CO2 bubble rose to the surface & exploded, and it killed quite a few people. Happened over in Africa a few decades ago.

I can think of a million better ways to depart the planet than being killed by a massive cow fart that escaped from the depths of the earth.

[mcclane]

that is just too funny !!

pardon my ignorance, but I just don't see how this carbon capture will help overall. if you pump co2 underground, there will come a time when the earth is just too saturated with co2 and then what happens ? if the environmentalists claim co2 is bad for the stuff on top of the earth, won't it also kill plants underground ? what i'm trying to say is, the roots of plants and crops, won't that become affected ?

[AEGeneral]

Originally Posted by mcclane

that is just too funny !!

pardon my ignorance, but I just don't see how this carbon capture will help overall. if you pump co2 underground, there will come a time when the earth is just too saturated with co2 and then what happens ? if the environmentalists claim co2 is bad for the stuff on top of the earth, won't it also kill plants underground ? what i'm trying to say is, the roots of plants and crops, won't that become affected ?

They pump it far deeper than that. I have seen one feasible use for sequestration, and that is to use CO2 to help recover more oil:

Weyburn-Midale CO2 Project

About PTRC

The project’s Final Phase (2005-2011) is building on the successes of the First Phase (2000 – 2004) to deliver the framework necessary to encourage implementation of CO2 geological storage on a worldwide basis.

The project is operated in conjunction with two billion-dollar commercial CO2 floods in Saskatchewan, Canada, where huge volumes of the gas are captured from an industrial source and injected to revive oil production.

The "worldwide" part scares me. Using sequestration in different areas to increase oil production is one thing; just pumping the stuff underground all over the place is quite another.

That vision of Praxis in one of the Star Trek movies comes to mind. Yeah, I'm overreacting, but you get what I'm saying.

[mcclane]

Originally Posted by AEGeneral

They pump it far deeper than that. I have seen one feasible use for sequestration, and that is to use CO2 to help recover more oil:

Weyburn-Midale CO2 Project

About PTRC



The "worldwide" part scares me. Using sequestration in different areas to increase oil production is one thing; just pumping the stuff underground all over the place is quite another.

That vision of Praxis in one of the Star Trek movies comes to mind. Yeah, I'm overreacting, but you get what I'm saying.

praxis ? is that the one where the planet self destructs ?

If so, that is one of the things i've been wondering about. As you and I know, the enviro-whackos have a habit of complaining about all the 'wasteful' habits of man, and trying to stop all this behaviour, however they offer no concrete alternative in its place. I for one am skeptical about carbon capture. Do we know enough about carbon capture that it is safe ? There has been many examples that we've come up from the environmentalists that just doesn't make sense, like biofuels, and those CFLs (which contain mercury). People should really ask alot of questions about not just carbon capture about any ideas coming from environmentalists, because it isn't just the environment at stake but many other things as well.

[AEGeneral]

Originally Posted by mcclane

praxis ? is that the one where the planet self destructs ?

If so, that is one of the things i've been wondering about. As you and I know, the enviro-whackos have a habit of complaining about all the 'wasteful' habits of man, and trying to stop all this behaviour, however they offer no concrete alternative in its place. I for one am skeptical about carbon capture. Do we know enough about carbon capture that it is safe ? There has been many examples that we've come up from the environmentalists that just doesn't make sense, like biofuels, and those CFLs (which contain mercury). People should really ask alot of questions about not just carbon capture about any ideas coming from environmentalists, because it isn't just the environment at stake but many other things as well.

Yep. The whole planet blows up. I think it was the klingon planet where they got all their energy sources from. I don't know much about Star Trek, just watched some of the movies and remembered that scene.

Funny how the whole "mercury" thing just came to light recently (ouch, no pun intended there). The food riots started last January (2007), but before now, none of the major networks in the US picked up on what was happening. I still don't know that all of them are reporting it, but the discussion has at least reached Congress. Inevitably, most of them will have to cover it.

But why did it take this long? You hit the nail on the head.

You're right, no one seems to ask any questions. Just like with a climate model, they skip to the results without the least bit of curiosity or concern as to what's in it or how it works.

What's in a CFL? What might using corn-based ethanol do to the price of food? They're too busy calculating how much energy a CFL or biofuels might save. Maybe they're so blinded by their own personal advocacy of environmentalism that they can't see the forest for the trees -- no pun intended there, either.

But they'll speculate for hours on what Brittney Spears ate for dinner last night. Priorities?

[mcclane]

After careful consideration, haven't you noticed in the news that if something is blatantly obvious, for example the food riots and high fuel prices, we've stated that environmentalists are obstructionists to progress. We've connected that dots that environmentalists, with their yammering, are preventing oil companies from drilling oil which of course causes oil prices to skyrocket. With high oil prices everything becomes that much more expensive. And the news has barely touched on the fact that the food riots are caused by farmers cashing in on the biofuel craze. Note that these tidbits of info are conviently left out from the news.

I for one have not taken the environmentalists facts are the end all and be all. I just consider them lies and propaganda to fool the average joe.

And yes, the public seems to wallow as to whether britney will be wearing panties or not. *sigh* priorities eh ?

[AEGeneral]

FOXNews.com - Scientists Seek Vaccine for Livestock Flatulence - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News

Feeling guilty about their country's greenhouse-gas emissions, New Zealand scientists want to squelch the biggest source: livestock flatulence.

So it was with great pride Wednesday that Phil Goff, the Kiwi trade minister, told a Paris meeting of the Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development that the genome of the microbe responsible for all that methane had been isolated.

That would pave the way for a vaccine against bovine flatulence, he added, according to the Daily Telegraph.


Of course, because those same gassy bacteria also give sheep, cattle and their kin the ability to digest grass and hay, the vaccine could just cause mass livestock starvation.

Bovine Flatulence Obsession Syndrome is real. What more evidence do we need?

[Dennis]

Gee,

I'm doing my part to reduce cow fart induced global warming. I grill steaks every Sunday.

This is serious stuff. As we speak scientists are doing studies to see if dinosaurs farted their way into extinction.