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Old 03-10-2008, 05:46 PM
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according to these scientists, the sky is falling and we have to do something now to reduce the threat of global warming :

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23552526

"Although computer models used by scientists to project changes in the climate have become increasingly powerful, scientists acknowledge that no model is a perfect reflection of the complex dynamics involved and how they will evolve with time."

even they admit it is hard to predict climate change accurately, so why in the hell are they sounding the alarm ?? With the recent snow storms in the east, how can the explain that ?
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Old 03-10-2008, 08:01 PM
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Complex dynamics...like the sun and clouds, for instance.

http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=3

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MYTH 5: Computer models verify that CO2 increases will cause significant global warming.
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FACT: The computer models assume that CO2 is the primary climate driver, and that the Sun has an insignificant effect on climate. You cannot use the output of a model to verify or prove its initial assumption - that is circular reasoning and is illogical. Computer models can be made to roughly match the 20th century temperature rise by adjusting many input parameters and using strong positive feedbacks. They do not "prove" anything. Also, computer models predicting global warming are incapable of properly including the effects of the sun, cosmic rays and the clouds. The sun is a major cause of temperature variation on the earth surface as its received radiation changes all the time, This happens largely in cyclical fashion. The number and the lengths in time of sunspots can be correlated very closely with average temperatures on earth, e.g. the Little Ice Age and the Medieval Warm Period. Varying intensity of solar heat radiation affects the surface temperature of the oceans and the currents. Warmer ocean water expels gases, some of which are CO2. Solar radiation interferes with the cosmic ray flux, thus influencing the amount ionized nuclei which control cloud cover.
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hey, they're based right here in calgary.

I like myth 6 :

MYTH 6: The UN proved that man–made CO2 causes global warming.

FACT: In a 1996 report by the UN on global warming, two statements were deleted from the final draft. Here they are:
1) “None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed climate changes to increases in greenhouse gases.”
2) “No study to date has positively attributed all or part of the climate change to man–made causes”

To the present day there is still no scientific proof that man-made CO2 causes significant global warming.

Yep, to get their agenda across they conveniently delete information preventing people from making educated decisions.
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